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		<title>By: Enoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enoch</dc:creator>
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		<description>I tithed for over thirty one years. In Feb of 2005 I had left a church looking for another. After two week of praying and studying my bible, I realized that I had not tithed. Therefore I immediately went to Hebrews seventh chapter and read about Abram giving Melchizedek ten percent of somebody else property. (Gen 14:1-24)  It was not his own. Plus (Gen 13:2) clearly says that Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold. Abram did not give Melchizedek ten percent of his own cattle, silver and gold. Then I began to wonder how did I miss this. I had been lied to, and not only that I had taught that lie being a minister of the gospel. After that I began to study every verse in the bible regarding tithing from Genesis to Hebrews and realize that tithing was to Israel only and it was not money but food products and animals. Therefore I had to repent to God for lying to the body of Christ.
I have some videos on YouTube - username -&quot;enick3&quot; called &quot; The tithe lie &amp; The tithing confession lie&quot;. God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tithed for over thirty one years. In Feb of 2005 I had left a church looking for another. After two week of praying and studying my bible, I realized that I had not tithed. Therefore I immediately went to Hebrews seventh chapter and read about Abram giving Melchizedek ten percent of somebody else property. (Gen 14:1-24)  It was not his own. Plus (Gen 13:2) clearly says that Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold. Abram did not give Melchizedek ten percent of his own cattle, silver and gold. Then I began to wonder how did I miss this. I had been lied to, and not only that I had taught that lie being a minister of the gospel. After that I began to study every verse in the bible regarding tithing from Genesis to Hebrews and realize that tithing was to Israel only and it was not money but food products and animals. Therefore I had to repent to God for lying to the body of Christ.<br />
I have some videos on YouTube &#8211; username -&#8221;enick3&#8243; called &#8221; The tithe lie &amp; The tithing confession lie&#8221;. God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: Verna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Thank you so much for this article!! I had become a tither under the law when I first went to church because that&#039;s what I was taught. Pay a tithe, get a blessing; don&#039;t pay a tithe, receive a curse. I thank God that He brought me out of that bondage, and I am so pleased to see a fellow Christian using his voice to cry out in the wilderness of law. Thank you! 

I can remember sitting at the kitchen table crying over how to pay the tithe and the bills and put food on the table with what we had. I couldn&#039;t do it. Our financial situation kept getting worse and worse. I did a lot of praying and came across Paul&#039;s words you&#039;ve mentioned. Through the ministering of the Holy Spirit, the lightbulb went off. My finances were indeed cursed; not because I wasn&#039;t paying tithe, but because I was paying it. I was living under the law, and was therefore living under the curse of the law. When I quit tithing, our finances straightened out, and we began to prosper. From then on, I didn&#039;t give out of trying to get blessed or because I was following a commandment, I gave out of wanting to help others in need. I still do. 

Do I give all the time? No. I give as the Lord leads, and here&#039;s the kicker, it&#039;s not to a church, and it&#039;s not always money. Sometimes it&#039;s food, sometimes it&#039;s service, sometimes it&#039;s money, or sometimes it&#039;s a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes it can be as simple as holding a door open for someone. Tithing has become so legalistic that Christians today don&#039;t get that tithing was never about money, but has always been about love. 

Cain and Abel&#039;s offerings weren&#039;t money, and Cain was punished because he gave out of a wrong motive. God straight out told the Jewish people that the sacrifice He required wasn&#039;t tithing but was &quot;helping the widows and orphans which is your reasonable service&quot;. He didn&#039;t mean it as a command. He meant it to show them that when you love, you can&#039;t help but help others, and, thereby, you worship God with your love. It means that since God loved me first, I love Him with all my heart mind and soul and love my neighbor as myself. I give out of a heart of love in meeting a need in someone else&#039;s life through personal giving to or contact with an individual, not as a command to fill church coffers. 

I was blown away when I did some digging on how our church spent the tithes and offerings it received. I found out that the church I was attending would only help someone who asked for it only once in a year time period. If the person in need asked for help before that year was up, they would be turned away. That&#039;s only one instance. There were many others. Please know I&#039;m not church bashing, nor am I saying that all churches are this way. There are churches out there that do it right. However, I encourage you to dig deep into where the money is going. When you find out, you may understand that helping the woman at the side of the road with a blown tire or giving a meal to the man diving in the dumpster may be a much better use of your money. Giving to get a blessing is selfish, giving because you have to is useless, giving to help others in their need is Christ, love in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for this article!! I had become a tither under the law when I first went to church because that&#8217;s what I was taught. Pay a tithe, get a blessing; don&#8217;t pay a tithe, receive a curse. I thank God that He brought me out of that bondage, and I am so pleased to see a fellow Christian using his voice to cry out in the wilderness of law. Thank you! </p>
<p>I can remember sitting at the kitchen table crying over how to pay the tithe and the bills and put food on the table with what we had. I couldn&#8217;t do it. Our financial situation kept getting worse and worse. I did a lot of praying and came across Paul&#8217;s words you&#8217;ve mentioned. Through the ministering of the Holy Spirit, the lightbulb went off. My finances were indeed cursed; not because I wasn&#8217;t paying tithe, but because I was paying it. I was living under the law, and was therefore living under the curse of the law. When I quit tithing, our finances straightened out, and we began to prosper. From then on, I didn&#8217;t give out of trying to get blessed or because I was following a commandment, I gave out of wanting to help others in need. I still do. </p>
<p>Do I give all the time? No. I give as the Lord leads, and here&#8217;s the kicker, it&#8217;s not to a church, and it&#8217;s not always money. Sometimes it&#8217;s food, sometimes it&#8217;s service, sometimes it&#8217;s money, or sometimes it&#8217;s a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes it can be as simple as holding a door open for someone. Tithing has become so legalistic that Christians today don&#8217;t get that tithing was never about money, but has always been about love. </p>
<p>Cain and Abel&#8217;s offerings weren&#8217;t money, and Cain was punished because he gave out of a wrong motive. God straight out told the Jewish people that the sacrifice He required wasn&#8217;t tithing but was &#8220;helping the widows and orphans which is your reasonable service&#8221;. He didn&#8217;t mean it as a command. He meant it to show them that when you love, you can&#8217;t help but help others, and, thereby, you worship God with your love. It means that since God loved me first, I love Him with all my heart mind and soul and love my neighbor as myself. I give out of a heart of love in meeting a need in someone else&#8217;s life through personal giving to or contact with an individual, not as a command to fill church coffers. </p>
<p>I was blown away when I did some digging on how our church spent the tithes and offerings it received. I found out that the church I was attending would only help someone who asked for it only once in a year time period. If the person in need asked for help before that year was up, they would be turned away. That&#8217;s only one instance. There were many others. Please know I&#8217;m not church bashing, nor am I saying that all churches are this way. There are churches out there that do it right. However, I encourage you to dig deep into where the money is going. When you find out, you may understand that helping the woman at the side of the road with a blown tire or giving a meal to the man diving in the dumpster may be a much better use of your money. Giving to get a blessing is selfish, giving because you have to is useless, giving to help others in their need is Christ, love in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Annette H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annette H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...  This is the second time I have heard about this same viewpoint (two different ministries) on tithing lately.  I am going to have to really pray about this, and search through the scriptures...  Thank you for giving a place to start searching the Word in these last comments.  I know my husband would have a real hard time with this view...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;  This is the second time I have heard about this same viewpoint (two different ministries) on tithing lately.  I am going to have to really pray about this, and search through the scriptures&#8230;  Thank you for giving a place to start searching the Word in these last comments.  I know my husband would have a real hard time with this view&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Wiertzema</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wiertzema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some will go to extreme levels of (personal) reasoning to keep the law alive and themselves alive with it; it&#039;s called self-justification. How could Paul have been more plain when he said, &quot;Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law&quot; (Rom. 7.4.) Instead we get, Look at me, I&#039;m a tither. 

Paul said, the just shall live by faith (Rom. 1.17,) and, the law is not of faith (Gal. 3.12.) Yet some still insist that they give their tithes in faith. And again he said, whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (Rom. 14.23) My vote is that Paul is right on this one. Insist on tithing and you will subject yourself a debtor to the whole law. Listen to Paul&#039;s reasoning, &quot;All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” (Gal. 3.10) In other words, you can&#039;t pick and choose. It&#039;s either all law or all Christ. If you willingly subject yourself to any part of the law, you are bound to keep it all and Christ shall profit you nothing (Gal. 5.2.) You may have been taught that tithing will bring you under the blessing, but the Apostle of faith said it will bring you back under the curse. Go ahead, argue your case with him. If you notice how much I&#039;ve quoted him, you&#039;ll realize you&#039;ve been arguing with him all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some will go to extreme levels of (personal) reasoning to keep the law alive and themselves alive with it; it&#8217;s called self-justification. How could Paul have been more plain when he said, &#8220;Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law&#8221; (Rom. 7.4.) Instead we get, Look at me, I&#8217;m a tither. </p>
<p>Paul said, the just shall live by faith (Rom. 1.17,) and, the law is not of faith (Gal. 3.12.) Yet some still insist that they give their tithes in faith. And again he said, whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (Rom. 14.23) My vote is that Paul is right on this one. Insist on tithing and you will subject yourself a debtor to the whole law. Listen to Paul&#8217;s reasoning, &#8220;All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” (Gal. 3.10) In other words, you can&#8217;t pick and choose. It&#8217;s either all law or all Christ. If you willingly subject yourself to any part of the law, you are bound to keep it all and Christ shall profit you nothing (Gal. 5.2.) You may have been taught that tithing will bring you under the blessing, but the Apostle of faith said it will bring you back under the curse. Go ahead, argue your case with him. If you notice how much I&#8217;ve quoted him, you&#8217;ll realize you&#8217;ve been arguing with him all along.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle s</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the contrary, I tithe because I love God, not because of a law. thats my whole point. What joy would it be for God if he made me give it to him? But... while im tithing I am also keeping the law given by Jesus in the new testiment to Love my God.  There is no new testiment law to tithe. none!  So I never would feel guilt for not tithing because there is no direct law for tithing, but there is a indirect law for tithing. Jesus came and summed up ALL the laws of the profits(not just the ten commandments). He summed it up with with just two laws. 1. Love your God and   2. love your Neighbor.
If you love your neighbor you wouldnt kill him, you wouldnt covet his wife and you wouldnt steal from him either. The commandments of the old testiment are still in place they are simply summed in the two laws given by Jesus. Jesus said he fulfilled the law not to do away with them.
Isnt thou shall not steal a commandment? Well jesus renamed that commandment with &quot;thou shall love your God(you cant steal from God and love him at same time). Same law of stealing is still in place today its just been put under a umbrela law of &quot;love your God&quot;&#039; because if you love him you wouldnt steal from him.
God had to have a way to get us to tithe without forcing a law to do it(at least directly). He wants us to tithe simply because we love him. But at the same time it needs to be a law so that there would be a law to activate. If there was no law to tithe at all then tithing would produce nothing, just like when(o.t.) there was no law for having multple wives. It wasnt a law and therefore it was not a sin.  So what did he do... He never told us to tithe but what he did do is command us to love him and you cant love him and steal his tithe at the same time. Is brillance. You see the seed of tithing out of love is greater than tithing out of law. The law of tithing and tithing out of love CAN NOT be seperated. You cant do the one with out the other. There are two mindsets and you have no choice but to operate both at the same time. I dont tithe because i am commanded, I tithe because i love God, it just happens to be that loving god is a commandment.
Tithing is a new testiment law and it goes like this... love your God... so tithe out of Love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the contrary, I tithe because I love God, not because of a law. thats my whole point. What joy would it be for God if he made me give it to him? But&#8230; while im tithing I am also keeping the law given by Jesus in the new testiment to Love my God.  There is no new testiment law to tithe. none!  So I never would feel guilt for not tithing because there is no direct law for tithing, but there is a indirect law for tithing. Jesus came and summed up ALL the laws of the profits(not just the ten commandments). He summed it up with with just two laws. 1. Love your God and   2. love your Neighbor.<br />
If you love your neighbor you wouldnt kill him, you wouldnt covet his wife and you wouldnt steal from him either. The commandments of the old testiment are still in place they are simply summed in the two laws given by Jesus. Jesus said he fulfilled the law not to do away with them.<br />
Isnt thou shall not steal a commandment? Well jesus renamed that commandment with &#8220;thou shall love your God(you cant steal from God and love him at same time). Same law of stealing is still in place today its just been put under a umbrela law of &#8220;love your God&#8221;&#8216; because if you love him you wouldnt steal from him.<br />
God had to have a way to get us to tithe without forcing a law to do it(at least directly). He wants us to tithe simply because we love him. But at the same time it needs to be a law so that there would be a law to activate. If there was no law to tithe at all then tithing would produce nothing, just like when(o.t.) there was no law for having multple wives. It wasnt a law and therefore it was not a sin.  So what did he do&#8230; He never told us to tithe but what he did do is command us to love him and you cant love him and steal his tithe at the same time. Is brillance. You see the seed of tithing out of love is greater than tithing out of law. The law of tithing and tithing out of love CAN NOT be seperated. You cant do the one with out the other. There are two mindsets and you have no choice but to operate both at the same time. I dont tithe because i am commanded, I tithe because i love God, it just happens to be that loving god is a commandment.<br />
Tithing is a new testiment law and it goes like this&#8230; love your God&#8230; so tithe out of Love.</p>
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